General Discussion

[HealerApprentice]

@JAAJ

I think you are confusing be a nice guy with Oneness.
As mentioned above by Sammy, you become impenetrable.

i described this in my other post up there, but i will expand on it more since it was skipped over…

i experienced being impenetrable…somewhere in the city i was being shot at point blank range maybe 10 feet away…i put up my hands like i was blocking a punch lol…then quickly stood tall thinking they were just pranking me…they probably shot like 7 or 10 times…saw the pistol smoke, but for some reason, i couldn’t see their faces afterwards…they just stayed still for like 10 seconds quietly…then eventually they slowly drove off very quietly…

i had a psychic friend i used to visit at that time, i call her my spiritual mom…she told me i didn’t see it, but they did…that’s why i was brave…there was a giant black smoke being that protected me…

i told her that reminded me of this martial arts friend i had…he was a stuntman in a movie with The Rock…he’s from a lineage of warriors…he used to tell me stories that one person in his fam looked him in his eyes one day and told him of his prophetic dream…he talked to me like his fam was talking to him…he looked me in my eyes and said, “Aha…you have it…you’re going to get visited and you will be given a choice…if you choose to accept their help then you have to do this ritual every night, but if you refuse then they will not bother you again…” the way he looked me in my eyes as he told the story made it feel like he was talking to me…so i quickly asked him if that fam member was still around because i wanted to meet him to see if i have it…he told me he passed already…he also, said he chose not to accept their help because he’s a big believer in Jesus…

but his fam member chose to accept that help…and one day in some city, he was approached by 2 guys that wanted to rob him “GIVE UP YOUR MONEY OLD MAN!”…he calmly stared back at them and asked with a smile, “do you want to die?..” they were confused and yelled it again even louder pointing their guns at him…so, he spoke words in an ancient language and a giant spirit of a black smoke appeared…they took off running…

you can look up similar stories of warriors around the world who receive help from similar spirits…

i never did a ritual though…

one day i was in this crystal shop wearing the same crystal necklace i wore when i got shot at…and the owner of the shop commented on how it’s interesting i wore it on my heart because the natural etching of a ruby has the symbol of an upside down triangle and an upright triangle…she said it’s a symbol of the heart and it’s a warrior stone…that’s what made me tell her how i escaped death one night while wearing it…and she said it’s because of that crystal…but i also added, “the good deeds that we do puts up a forcefield to protect the benevolent sometimes…” but if we let it get to our head then that protective field will disappear…

it was a state of oneness i felt…i felt at peace with all…even to those that shot at me…i forgive them for they know not what they do…their world is ugly…what they did to me was constantly done to them…that’s why i still remained safe because i feel a oneness with even them and others like them…they grew up in a world where people shot at them at a young age and they didn’t know why…so one day they got tired of it and decided to protect themselves and shoot back…that’s the path some chose…

i never chose that path…once my spiritual mom told me of who was protecting me, i decided not to get a gun that night…because i felt safe in the oneness of All…so i continued to be safe

but nothing is guaranteed…oneness can easily be lost…it takes a constant effort to not give in to anger…

my state of oneness is maintained while i spend more time here in this forum…so thank you for this interaction…

[Sarecha]

@SammyG

Something more to the concept of free will that dream remarked was that… In ego, you are bound to samsara. Samsara is creating you. Without ego, you are creating samsara. Without ego, you identify with the allness/creator that is already within you springing reality from within your being.

The rest doesn’t confuse me, but that one detail… If you have no ego, you identify with the creator and you create cycles of life and death (samsara)? But what if you are bound to ego and also can identify with the creator? Either way, energy only transforms, right? I imagine (of course!) that Oneness is a pizza… an entity that contains different foods. What we consider God or creator (or whatever you want to call it) would be the Earth because it gives all the food… while the dough and the condiments would be the physical entities. So we come out of it, but we identify ourselves as different entities because we think we are super cool and unique. But it all comes from the same thing, really. We are the same but it’s confusing because we have different “form”. But I don’t see ego as a dissociation from Oneness, but a seasoning… because everyone’s ego is already available within Oneness.

Now I want pizza (I wouldn’t mind being part of the cheese).

[SammyG]

Hmm, this is actually a very interesting way of percieving it. I very much like your conclusions here! I may even borrow some of the ways you’ve worded things here in the future because I do like how you conceptualized it.

Cause yes, this source self you’re speaking of is pretty much… the higher self that we all have been talking about in this forum for a long time. And the higher self is unconditional to whatever you experience. So yeah, the true self (higher self) is always accepting of everything and tuning into that fact, can make it easier to accept. So that’s a great realization man.

@JAAJ

Who doesn’t want to be “impenetrable” and “most gansta” after all?

Haha Trick is to not want to be that though but I know you know that as well. It is good to know that you’ll be safe when you make the jump to the other side. Just the important part is actually what we are doing here. Building an understanding of this and dream is helping a lot map it all out. It helps cause knowing what comes after and how to navigate life like this is very important. Lot of people lose it cause they don’t have any map or any clue really.

[SoulStar33]

Besides Yoga, I find SLR3 to be THE Closest thing to a feel of Union/Oneness, it is that powerful.
It makes me Blissful.

I’m getting the glimpses of what You Already Experience.

[igem]

Nothing compares to Singularity in my case, SLR 3.0 I don’t perceive to any appreciable extent.

[SoulStar33]

Haven’t really tried it, maybe just once.
Thanks for the tip.

[SammyG]

@Jay

I think that is where most of the blockages that one has reside because that unapproachable appearance that we sometimes project is nothing more than a shield to avoid harm to ourselves and we close our heart chakra for that reason.

Indeed my friend. We often don’t even realize the shields we naturally put up. First step is awareness so I think you’re definitely on the right path to dissolving them all.

It’s hard for most of us to see it but subconsciously, our minds see everything about a person. And they see everything about us. Our egos often don’t even get it because we are stuck in our biases but regardless, the information is always there. And typically, we avoid or embrace certain people subconsciously due to these inner things that we often don’t even consciously notice.

@HealerApprentice

its just there are some that prey on the weak

I thought I went into this but yeah, in that higher state of consicousness, you aren’t percieved as prey. As a mirror, people seeing you, see themselves in a way.

All that said, as @JAAJ said… it’s best to continue using these tools, protection and whatnot until you get there. It’s a process that will reveal itself to you naturally anyways I think. Us having these conversations does something in your subconscious that is quite special that I think you’ll one day appreciate. Often, when people reach the ‘edge’ naturally, their ego falls back and is like ‘no, I don’t want to go to the other side. It seems boundless, it’s too unknown, I might just lose myself to whatever abyss that is.’ A lot of people get there really and end up just falling back due to the fear.

But knowing all this already helps you be rest assured that you can make that jump. Knowing all this is building the map in your mind that you will be able to reference back to when the time comes.

And the truth is, like @JAAJ noted, he had a oneness experience once and after two days went back to his old patterns. That is most likely how it is going to happen for most. Still happens to me quite often. There are sooooooo many patterns we have that we aren’t even aware of that reveal themselves after we have these kinds of experiences. And that’s fine. It’s a part of the process of undoing ourselves.

[Jay]

@SoulStar33

Besides Yoga, I find SLR3 to be THE Closest thing to a feel of Union/Oneness, it is that powerful.

It makes sense because what is it that keeps us from oneness if not our limiting thoughts and our ego?

[SammyG]

hahaha this is a funny way to put it but accurate. I like it a lot. What I meant by creating samsara is just pretty much creating the illusion of reality. That is already happening within your consciousness. It’s just that you become conscious of that layer of you that is creating the illusion.

[anon8601412]

@Jay

It makes sense because what is it that keeps us from oneness if not our limiting thoughts and our ego?

Animals don’t have human ego but they are still away from void experience.

Ego is just a byproduct of irrational processes that exist beyond a logical and logocentric alienation and illusion of separation.

That happens because ego needs an energetic source to produce its structured experience. This source of energy is sexual in nature. It’s life force that is drained into creating ego as a phenomena.

Animals have a proto-ego because they still have a retro-active mind that allows anticipation. Past and future abstractions.

This is why I believe ego is entropic in nature. Because it needs energy to fuel it, energy taken from life force to exist and reproduce itself.

[Jay]

I understand but what is void experience? I haven’t mentioned anything about that

[anon8601412]

to me oneness is a conundrum because one implies there’s another.

when you nullify opposites, separations and illussions, all ceases to exist, there’s nothing, void, emptiness. not one of anything. void experience would be this.

all ceases to be.

that’s why i don’t think there’s a “true self” or “authentic self”, only a higher vibration ego, because ego is necessary to operate or do anything.

without ego we couldn’t be able to even exist or recognize anything as different to ourselves.

“true self” implies there’s an essence or core that’s not “contaminated” with ego, which i deeply think it’s false.

there’s no essence or true self or core.

we all are empty shells walking.

[SoulStar33]

Damn, that’s deep.

[Jay]

mmm it’s an interesting point of view and I respect it. I think that on these topics it is difficult to say that one thing is the absolute truth, we still have a lot to discover. For me oneness is more about being aware of the interconnection between all things, understanding that there are no empty spaces but that everything is full of the fabric of creation of which one is a part. Although it is one thing to know that and a very different thing is to be aware of it in real time.

[SoulStar33]

@anon8601412

void experience would be this.

And do you think that such a void existed “before” Consciousness?

The original nothingness?

[SoulStar33]

Also, what if Void and Consciousness are two sides of the same coin?

What if Void, the lack of anything, needs for there to be something, to be lacking?

Like good is opposite to bad, right to left, void to consciousness?

[anon8601412]

@SoulStar33

And do you think that such a void existed “before” Consciousness?

The original nothingness?

I do think ego is continuously being created out of nothing.

In every moment.

Although there are gaps in which void experience occurs.

Those gaps are more evident in kids or people that devote their life to it.

[HealerApprentice]

@SammyG

I thought I went into this but yeah, in that higher state of consicousness, you aren’t percieved as prey. As a mirror, people seeing you, see themselves in a way.

All that said, as @JAAJ said… it’s best to continue using these tools, protection and whatnot until you get there.

yes, i appreciate all the perspectives that others have…and i was describing moments of the past when i was like 9 or 10 years old…

reminds me of this story of a Shaman who was passing thru the city somewhere in South America…i can’t remember if it was Peru or Brazil…but here’s a man who is in a peaceful oneness state…and he got approached gunpoint…he took off his watch and took the wallet out of his pocket…but he quickly developed a rapport with them…he saw they were hungry, so he willingly gave them the money in his wallet to get food, but he said “you can also have my watch, but you probably don’t need my Driver license and business cards…” they appreciated the fact that he knew they were hungry, so they let him have his wallet back…

he was in a state of oneness, but he still got robbed…just like me when i was like 10 years old

but i understand what you’re pointing out…that was long ago, and i should be more specific in describing what happened…

i can see that i did reach a little state of oneness at that age now that you pointed it out to me…it’s because often times people would come up to me, “you want me to take care of them for you?”.(they were going to beat him up)…and i would always respond the same way whenever i got asked that…i refused because some of the kids were just hungry, i had compassion for them…

but the one kid who i kicked in the knee, he was way taller and overweight…it was clear he wasn’t hungry at all, just someone abusing his power, but i didn’t hold a grudge against him…i actually got friendly with him afterwards…i could have rounded up all the other short kids who got robbed by him and jump him, but i didn’t because of that one moment where i kicked his knee and he let out a painful breath…he looked at me not wanting to retaliate, like he deserved it…that look he gave me when that happened was like a silent apology…and sometimes an apology is all that’s needed to dispel a dispute…

i studied martial arts at that age, but whenever i fought someone, i never used the skills…i toned it down so much…so, that’s another form of compassionate oneness…

i realize i have to be more specific in my words…i guess since i used to rap, i use all types of metaphors and similies sometimes lol…

so, instead of the word prey, it’s just a moment of transmutation of an unfortunate circumstance that turned into a peacful understanding…

the skinny kid who robbed me before was clearly hungry, so i didn’t retaliate…

the tall overweight kid, i unfortunately responded violently, but we became friendly after that…

being more clear about this made me also want to be more clear about something else…

when i spoke of angry tears and doing revenge before…i wasn’t talking about bullies or being shot at…that’s regular petty stuff a lot of neighborhoods in the city go through…i hold no grudges for any of that…

i just don’t even like saying or reading the words of it…it’s a specific type of abuse to kids they call them a “C.M.” …i don’t want to say the word, but maybe you can guess what it is…it didn’t happen to me, just people around me that i had no idea was going on…certain untrustworthy people should not be around, and being the loving accepting kind of person might not be able to detect those shady personalities…

and that’s the anger that blocks me from oneness, not that other stuff i mentioned…the other stuff i mentioned has zero stress on me…

it’s just that when i think about the real blockage of my oneness, others would misperceive it like i’m directing that anger towards them, so naturally, they might want to challenge me to a fight…

that’s why i’m in seclusion…i don’t want to hurt anybody that was the result of me thinking about C.M’s…

and when i said God took care of him before i could get to him, he died of natural causes…i thought that would make me feel better, but it didn’t because there are so many of them and i would meet so many people that’s been thru that…like people who actually lived the lives of the Menendez brothers but never retaliated like they did…

i met one healer who was a child slave who was forced to do stuff…but she reached a state of balance to become a healer…that’s what i was talking about in my desmond tutu post above…

that’s why i’m here…to try to learn how to reach that state of balance…

[Alkul]

Source is source. You can no more understand it, or explain it, than a rock can give a lecture about humans.

You either align with it, or you’re distancing yourself from it.

Every moment you stop to wonder about or explain source, is a moment of you being away from source.

[Alkul]