@SammyG I’m really grateful that you took the time to lengthen the conversation. I learned more from this iteration of your oneness discussion than previous ones. Sometimes things just hit differently. In any case, I just wanted you to know that your extra effort and patience helps.
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Oh thanks for asking these great questions! Honestly, even though I banned the guy, he asked good questions too. That being said, if people are banned from the forum and come back… we know you did. You were banned for a reason and you’ll get banned again.
If others have such questions though, please ask away too cause the topic is very very interesting and often leads to more expansive insights. So being challenged is a great thing for this kind of introspection.
Dream would be better at answering though since he is farther along in the path than I am. I’ve experienced it enough to tap back into it though to answer. But if I can’t reach certain answers, I’d ask him anyways lol.
Logging out for the evening butt I’ll answer when I get the chance.
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Sometimes I wonder why dark things happen. A scenary of that old churchs,
That silent, cold atmosphere. The stillness always get me in my mind.
In context I’m in forencics, even there’s often evil, I wouldnt want to change anything
just understand.
Would god then find a ‘beauty’ in all the happening too, the way things are?
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this topic reminds me of the talk between Craig Ferguson and Desmond Tutu
he gives more mind boggling examples of forgiveness in that interview…i often rewatch that whole interview when i find it hard to find forgiveness…
and the specific example in that clip is something i relate to when i used to write in the Journeys thread everyday…i wrote with honesty that i never wrote of in my own physical journals…i avoided it and covered it up with light gratitude talk before…
i stopped writing in the Journeys thread because it can get pretty dark…so i do that in my own physical journals now…that thread gave me great healing while i did it though…i still continue to write with more honesty in my own physical journal everyday to continue healing…something i couldn’t do before my journeys thread experience
more examples of forgiveness spoken of by Desmond in that interview still gets me baffled on how on earth they could forgive someone after what was done to them…
it’s like a superhuman ability that i wrote of before…i’m still trying to learn how to do that…to let go of certain grudges…
i guess that’s why certain people become cage fighters lol…i considered doing that a few years ago, but my pain probably isn’t as deep…i met others who been thru way worse…and i don’t blame them for certain bad habits they do to cope…
then there’s those few moments i meet someone who’s been thru real hellish circumstances…and it’s so confusing how they found balance to become a healer…
to force myself to be optimistic, i see that’s the only good to come out of certain hellish circumstances…is when someone who’s been thru that, miraculously found a way to forgive and heal from it so that they can heal others who’s been thru something similar…
i guess that’s why i’m here…i’m trying to learn how to do that…
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Can people really be persuaded that this is true if they didn’t believe it already? Acceptance is a practical solution in many cases regardless of some prelife happenings. This is the flip-side doing good deeds to secure a better afterlife or next life. One doesn’t need that belief to help their landlady take out her garbage.
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I just meant that acceptance does the work regardless of whether there is a metaphysical story justifying it.
This here! 
This makes sense even when thinking logically.
Because it is not like that God/Source randomly picks a soul or some consciousness from somewhere and then drops into a human incarnation…
That soul/consciousness decided at some point that it wants to be part of the respective experience.
God is not some out of control randomizer gone wild.
God is order.
And “at the highest level” there is nothing but negentropy.
Negentropic Free Will 
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and I will answer you personally.
I can only work on me truly.
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This thread has undergone a great cleansing lmao. All deleted
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I think I’m ‘getting it’, but I wrote all of this so I’m going to leave the space open for expanding upon this
How would you define the ‘Logos system’, if I may?
I had thought of it as the word which defines and brings an idea into the manifest, and I had thought that it was integral to manifesting, as per the Bible. As a matter of fact…
If you call it a system, you mean that it is constrained by our vocabularies? – as means of expressing and feeding the thoughts – which is a closed system, recycling, though slowly expanding. Such as creativity and invention in themselves being a remix of the old for most people, in which case what matters is the variety of stimuli and data that one accesses, and how expanded are one’s borders.
how people come into this space, experience results (wether positive or negative), and they never stop to think how and why it all works
Even though I arrived here ‘naturally’ and it made sufficient sense by that time, it still broke my head a little bit beginning to actualize what concepts like this imply
Perhaps I’ve assumed much in thinking that other people might experience a similar kind of existential crisis / opening in putting it all together… and hence keeping mostly silent about it, yet
@El_Capitan_Nemo for the
@Alkul react if you’d like me to delete
Hmm.
Just as there is an uptick in energies leading up to Christmas, there is one that leads to Maha Shivratri - around 15 days before it.
If it resonates with you, use this window to accelerate your progress a bit.
This year, the night is March 8th.
At worst, leverage the energies of the night itself.
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There’s a couple of answers that come to mind for this. For one, it’s not real. It is all imagined. So source is not essentially affected because there is nothing to be affected by. It’s like playing a video game and dying over and over again. There isn’t anything actually being hurt or dying or being killed over and over again. But of course, it goes both ways… nothing is true/everything is true. So, so as long as something is being experienced, that makes it real as well.
Source is non judging. So ‘suffering’ isn’t actually suffering. It just is. It’s just an experience. It’s just an energy. The same energy as ‘love’ and bliss and unity and light is the also darkness/suffering/death. So as source, being able to percieve ‘suffering’ from this perspective of non-duality makes it not ‘suffering’. Makes the feeling illusory. Makes source not… affected.
But the bigger reason why I even mentioned oneness in the context of entities is cause of this… when you are in source state, whatever tries to attack you, immediately attacks ‘itself.’ You become a mirror and whatever sees you, sees itself in some form. It just doesn’t really work or make sense at that point.
And you really don’t even need to be in source state for this to occur in some form. The surrender to the perception of it is often enough. Entities/beings you can’t see tend to exist more in the mental realm for you. And so your perception really is everything in your interaction with them and if you are percieving something as yourself, it’s harm towards you becomes harm towards itself.
And honestly, this just becomes in general. That state of being is a state where you become like a mirror that reflects light in all the environment/collective consciousness around you. It’s that thing we’ve all spoken about quite a lot of how enlightened beings raise the vibration of the world naturally. So the more you emerge into that state, the less opposition you attract.
It’s all hard to put into words really but I hope that made some kind of sense. I’ll get back to that in my next post as I have more thoughts on all this.
Why should accepting something delete your past ‘negative’ experiences? The problem with acceptance here is keeping with the perception that something is ‘negative.’ That is a very human/dualistic way of percieving the world and continues to bound you to feeling ‘something bad happened to you’ that you reject and don’t want to ever happen to you again. That isn’t acceptance.
Accepting negative experiences or negative things in general, is to accept they exist. Accept they have their place in the universe. Accept it as energy. It just is. It isn’t negative/positive or anything. Any judgement of it makes it separate from source. And so as long as we keep categorizing certain experiences as better or higher than others, we continue to separate divinity from itself. Oneness really genuinely means… all is one, one is all. All negativity/positivity/darkness/light/ is one.
I may be wrong but from your writing, I do sense you still have quite a strong afflcition to ‘negative experiences and things’ and from what I’ve learned, so as long as we do, we are still bound to duality and will continue to swing back and forth of the pendelum of reacting ‘negatively’ or ‘positively’ to life. The goal is to dissolve the reactionary self and just ‘be.’ That way, we don’t automatically react in any way to anything and are more free to choose the way we react and behave in the world. (I’ll also talk more about this in my next post)
The thing is, there is no distinction between your younger self and your present self. You have always only been your present self. The you that you are right now is the you that you have always been. I’m sure you know that time is not linear. It does not exist. The whole spectrum of all that you are is here now. So you can give that love and acceptance to the present you that experienced those ‘past’ things and it would still be the same as if you were doing it now.
Ahhhhh, dream had a better way of putting that into words than I did as we literally had a similiar conversation recently. I did my best so sorry if I was confusing there.
The meaning of acceptance is living with these parts though. I’m a bit confused with how you percieve acceptance. Can you explain more as to how you perceive it?
The reason I say I’m a bit confused is that acceptance is feeling okay about what happened to you or what exists or anything for that matter. It is becoming neutral about it and essentially being at peace with it. So as long as you reject what’s happened, that thing becomes a wall along your path. So as long as you accept it, there is no wall and you can continue moving forward.
This goes back to source not being affected by it’s own ‘suffering.’ Whatever happens, happens and source keeps flowing. It’s like nothing happened. There is no attachment. There just is.
Anyways, if you can, please expand on your line of thought so I can better understand you. I enjoy these kinds of convos because honestly… it’s territory that never gets written about. The masters that reach oneness don’t ever write about it. They’ll show their students through just being ‘it’ and their students getting that state through being around them. Masters are the mirror to oneness.
It’s also extremely difficult for anyone to write about hence why whenever anyone experiences it, they tell you ‘you have to experience it to understand, there are no words for it.’ And honestly, there aren’t words for it but I think what I want to do along with dream is to start attempting to put it into words. It’s a challenging yet worthy endeavor.
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I will answer more questions and delve deeper into this topic. Before I do, I do first feel it necessary to tell you that this is all still just me and dream’s perception of things. It is not absolute. But more than that, the path to ‘oneness’ is not completely necessary. I do think it’s what ends the human game and what ultimately evolves your consciousness but that’s just what I think.
The way Dream put it for me… was that the only free will there is to choose oneness or individuality. That is the only choice we can actually make. Individuality is to always bound to your ego/reactionary self. You don’t really ever choose to do anything as your ego is always bound to choose what you think is true/untrue/right/wrong. In source/oneness, there is no reactionary self. You are flow. But then the conundrum is, that you don’t really want anything anymore as you feel you have everything… so yeah lol.
That said, I figure I’ll give you guys a sneak preview of what we plan to teach at the retreat.
Me and Dream have been designing a spiritual path that although familiar, maps out exactly how to become the absolute best and highest version of yourself. One thing missing a lot from all the teachers that tell you dissolve your ego… is that they don’t tell you what comes next or what to do after. So we are working on something to build a new ego. One that becomes the best possible reactionary self that you can be… that achieves the goals you wish to achieve, adds to the world in a positive way and is at peace within. Then from there… we do give the option if you want to go all the way and experience… this oneness we speak of.
So in a way, it’s a spiritual path with the option to just become the best version of yourself or go all the way in ego dissolution and become the all. The safe thing though is that once you’ve built this new ego, if you go full ego dissolution, your soul will always have this well structured version of you that acts in your best interest to latch back onto.
This is all in the works but figured I give you a sneak preview since we are on the topic.
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The point from 19:46 onwards will give you inspiration to express what you’re trying to say in an even more compelling way.
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Why are there so many deleted posts here lol? I’m not gonna read through all that as I don’t want to be tempted to resurface all those thoughts.
Writing more and more about this, I do recognize how irrational this all sounds. If you have only ever experienced indivudality your whole life, oneness doesn’t make rational sense. So I recognize that words will typically fail at creating the realizations from within. Experience is the real way this all starts making sense and opens up intellectually to your mind. But that’s fine, this is all written so that if you do experience this… you can reread this to gain more context of what the hell you just experienced lol. I also like to answer these kinds of questions becomes it helps build more of a verbal map of the experience itself. But now, let’s continue…
Something more to the concept of free will that dream remarked was that… In ego, you are bound to samsara. Samsara is creating you. Without ego, you are creating samsara. Without ego, you identify with the allness/creator that is already within you springing reality from within your being.
Before I forget, had to share that or else it’d be a beautiful forgotten thought lol.
Of course. There would be no light without darkness. The beauty in darkness is that it gives meaning to light. ‘Evil’ gives rise to ‘Good.’ One cannot exist without the other. So the beauty is truly the whole picture. All pieces have a place in the cosmic puzzle. To deny one part of it, is essentially to deny the rest of it.
But to answer your question more directly… god doesn’t find beauty in anything. God in essence doesn’t judge.
God is also not this thing that supercedes us. God is what you are doing. What you are thinking. It really is you. And me. And the chair you are sitting on. The concept of god might confuse people so let’s just put it this way…
Everything is simply consciousness. Just pure awareness. Anything that comes after is just a reaction to that awareness.
There are many ways to answer this. I’ve always simply answered it as forgiveness being something done for yourself rather than the other person. Without forgiving, the energy stays stuck inside you and you end up in a endless cycle of resentment and retaliation. It’s the only way to neutralize that energy within you.
But to go deeper into it and intellectualize it more within the context of this conversation… The understanding that someone who harms another does not know they are essentially harming themselves can make it easier to have compassion. In a sense, they are acting out pure impulses and really know not what they do. What they inflict on you, they’ve inflicted on themselves and will have to pay the price and learn from it along their path. Heck, it might even be that what they did to you, you did to them in another life.
So if that’s the case, isn’t there some individuality to this? Yeah. We’re all the same self, split into many different selves, individually growing to become universes. Eternity reflecting upon itself in a infinite pathway of mirrors.
Now, one cool thing I’ve found about this perspective, is that even if we were delusional, the perception only naturally makes us treat others the way we would treat ourselves. We would only want what’s best for ourselves. You become very harmonious by just being.
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I’ll give it a watch when I get the chance. I’m a big fan of Grant Morrison. Me and Dream both loved 'The Invisibles lol.
But yeah, as for all of you reading… I’m open to more questions. Challenge these ideas. I actually want that. Hence why I was dissapointed to see so many deleted posts. I’m not gonna get mad if you disagree with these ideas or ask what you think mighta been a ‘dumb question.’
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Well, in my case, I just don’t want to rattle a hornet’s nest … it is a public forum after all, which I am sure is closely monitored. Rather keep things very surface level.