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I’ll give it a watch when I get the chance. I’m a big fan of Grant Morrison. Me and Dream both loved 'The Invisibles lol.

But yeah, as for all of you reading… I’m open to more questions. Challenge these ideas. I actually want that. Hence why I was dissapointed to see so many deleted posts. I’m not gonna get mad if you disagree with these ideas or ask what you think mighta been a ‘dumb question.’

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Well, in my case, I just don’t want to rattle a hornet’s nest … it is a public forum after all, which I am sure is closely monitored. Rather keep things very surface level.

Ah, it was an argument or something of the sort. Fair enough.

i appreciate the acknowledement of what i spoke of…

i explored that concept before…if God is all that exists…it reminds me i had that thought randomly while in high school, what if we had to take turns reincarnating into everyone that ever existed…if God is all that exists, then that’s what God did, living the lives of all…all the good and all the bad…so God did all that evil as well as the good…

i can see the concept of forgiving others is forgiving myself because God did that evil too if we are all God together…

the thing is…my anger didn’t come from something that was done to me…it was done to others close to me…like how could someone do that to kids…

long story short, i got guided away from doing revenge on behalf of others that were wronged when they were young kids…i got struck with a vision that they been thru the same as a kid and he was just continuing the cycle…

that cycle was passed down by a similar story all around the world of the higher power invading the tribal people…the brain attacking the heart…we’re doing it to ourselves…

years go i seen that concept briefly, the hungover morning after a night of drunk angry tears plotting revenge…but for that brief moment, i felt i didn’t feel like doing revenge because of that compassionate vision…

it didn’t last though…i would feel the peaceful moments by avoiding it…but it would come back…even after avoiding revenge on that person, God got rid of him in the end…but even if he passed…people like that still exist…

i confronted it again while writing in the Journey thread…it’s the closest i been to experiencing it head on, confronting my anger in a peaceful way…i feel it helps…but it’s just a gradual process…

i thought of those concepts you spoke of before years ago…my brain gets it…it’s these itchy knuckles that needs convincing though lol…

i achieved moments of peace…i meditate and exercise daily…including your guided pranayama guided meditation which i’m very grateful for btw…do that at least twice a day…plus dream’s fields…

it’s still a challenge in prolonging that peace knowing that specific type of evil exists…

reminds me of what you wrote of in another post saying it’s too easy for an enlightened person to remain enlightened while living in nature…it’s more of a challenge to maintain that Divine state of peace while in the city…

i relate to that heavily because i was born and raised in the city and somehow explored later in life to find the beauty of the countryside with some of the oldest trees in the world providing the freshest ancient knowledge enriched oxygen…

but i’m now back in the city…and it’s actually around the same time i discovered Sapien so it was Divinely timed…but that challenge to remain in that peaceful state is greater…

that’s why i’m still in seclusion…

the healing audios, meditation, exercise, writing helps greatly…and the concept of forgiveness because they are a part of God too just like we all are…my brain catches that no problem…it’s these stubborn itchy knuckles that need to learn that concept lol

Alchemical revision of Childhood and Alchemical revision of Trauma have helped greatly…but i’m still trying to learn how to prolong that peaceful state…

and just to be clear i haven’t fought since high school…but the urge is there…people in my life know me as being peaceful…it’s just a struggle to maintain…

i’m grateful for you and Dream and everyone else here that provides positive healing energy just by everyone’s presense…

i just have a lot to learn in how to prolong this peace…

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Thesis: Individuality

Antithesis: Oneness

Synthesis:

There are others trying versions of this that are far less promising in terms of creators and goals. I 'm glad you guys on it.

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We should have a zoom webinar about this topic, where everybody chimes in

Brother, you’re on the right path. Just keep on keeping on and don’t worry about ‘getting this stuff’ too much. I think you understand it conceptually but there are some things in the way. And that’s perfectly normal!

You will come to understand it on a more deeper level and perhaps integrate in a transformative way. What’s amazing about you is that you are already very aware of these things in the way and that awareness will take you far. So as long as you stay on the path, you will naturally dissolve these limiting beliefs/memories and come to find that peace you seek within yourself. Heck, I’m still on the path and am still learning of things in my way as well.

For example, Dream helped me become aware of something that has stuck with me strongly. I still have masculine rigidity and that is a limiting aspect to me. Also, that my expectations from interactions are also a limitation. It came from me asking him why I come off as intimidating to people.

For years, I often come off as intimidating to people and their first impression of me is all too often that I’m unapproachable. Of course, when I start to talk to people, that changes quickly cause I’m very kind and accepting but me being nice is something that always surprises them lol. I asked him about this and he noted that I’m still stuck on the concept of masculinity and what it means to be a man and also expecting things to go a certain way with people. It really clicked something in me.

Growing up in a hostile environment, made me naturally build a very big shield and a kind of mental pattern that is like ‘if you test me, I’m ready to go to war with you.’ And that just came from how showing any sort of weakness would get you picked on or robbed around here. Also, hanging out with the guys, it was always a game of ‘being a man’ and all that programming has just become a part of me.

What was interesting to me is how I couldn’t even see it til he mentioned it. Yet after hearing it, it was so damn clear to me. I have random thought patterns of ‘if this person says or does this to me, I’ll respond with this’ or ‘I’m gonna stand my ground and be a man about this.’ So as long as I have that level of expectation and rigidity, I am not mentally free and will rebound to ‘rules’ that limit the full capacity of my consciousness. My ego started fighting this concept and was like ‘I still live in this hostile place and I can’t be in this open state or I leave myself vulnerable.’

And it was only a few days after that I came to realize that… the level of light and strength that comes from oneness makes you practically impenetrable. Nothing is really in opposition to itself so to speak. Oneness is probably the most gangster level of consciousness there is lol. It essentially means you take on all the universe at once and nothing can break you.

Anyways I got a bit off topic but I tell you this story because we all have so many of these sorts of mental limits in our mind that are so deeply a part of our egos, that we just think it’s the natural way of being. I also see that society creates so many of these rules that we naturally just believe and follow blindly.

Brother, I think the worthy challenge of all lifetimes… is to find the oneness within samsara. Within the chaos of the world. That is something I personally believe the allness is trying to accomplish through many of our human lifetimes. It is extremely hard and so easy to fall back into ego but I think it’s certainly possible. Most if not all humans that reach that state have done so isolated from the world… or the ones that did within samsara fell into one ego trap or another.

Still, the knowledge is all there. I think it’s possible to build a map to navigate that way of being within the game itself. I personally think that’s the endgame. It’s a worthy pursuit I believe.

But this is all me thinking out loud really. In the end, oneness isn’t something you should even really be thinking about til you find peace within yourself. You’re on the right path my friend. In fact, I’m sure most of you are. Focus on yourself and all that limits you. Focus on accepting yourself. Focus on becoming the best you can be.

And… start saving up so you can come to our retreat :smiley:

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Is that really true though?

There are many states of consciousness where one doesn’t have an ego but isn’t also in a state of non-duality.

Getting rid of the ego isn’t enough to reach high/God levels of consciousness.

Also, I don’t think oneness/non-duality consciousness is the same as God consciousness. To realize how everything is interconnected and is essentially the same thing / “made out of” the same thing doesn’t necessarily awaken the realization that you are God and the entire universe, that you created th universe, and you have always existed, etc etc

There are several ways in which people identify themselves to a certain way of being.

Some people are fully identified with ego and that is the case of many mental illnesses such as madness.

Neurosis and perversion are characterized for a partial identification to the ego, which allows movement between identifications.

Nah, you’re right. Should have been more specific. I mean the full ego dissolution + identification of oneness that emerges from being very far along the path. Pretty much what I’ve been talking about. Casue yeah, there are many different ego deaths.

That isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about just the realization of it. I am speaking about the experience of it.

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I don’t understand, what’s the difference?

Give me examples of these btw. If that’s the case as well, then I think you and I have different ideas of what not having an ego is like.

Well for one, when I mention ‘without ego, you identify with allness’, I am speaking from the perspective of everything I’ve been talking about. I don’t mean that automatically if you experience ego death, you will become allness. Although… usually that is what happens. Without ego, you are just awareness. Awareness is just the consciousness that permeates everything that exists. You ‘are’ that universal awareness.

But… the problem is, some people aren’t quite ready and end up identifying with something immediately and think they are jesus, or god, or somehow connect the experience to something they have learned, ext…

To those who are not ready, ego death can induce a fear that has you latch onto the first thing you can find to ‘protect yourself.’ And then… those people go mad. That happens all too often and is usually because those people are still holding on to certain things when they experience the ego death.

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Well, I am only interested in doing spirituality with psychedelics. I don’t have any desire to bring them here since people seem to be so against it but to give you some examples:

Salvia, ego-death is quite common but everything is so chaotic and random, you could have the experience of being a couch or a book or live a 30 year life on some other universe

Ketamine, ego-death happens but instead of oneness is complete detachment (it’s a dissociative after all). In fact, people report feeling like they are the only thing in existence, not identifying with anything. Which is funny because in oneness you can also experience being the only thing in existence… in identifying with everything

I think it would help if you could tell me what ego and ego death means to you

Would you consider egoless a person that for some reason forgets who they are and everything that has happened in their life?

Wouldn’t they have/be just awareness?

Ahh yeah, in that case I completely get what you mean lol. Those are definitely very different ego death states. I was ironically just thinking ‘when you identify with nothing, you embody everything. Because nothing esentially permeates everything, as everything comes from nothing.’ But yeah, ketamine ego death is… complete isolation lol.

It makes me curious though… Why are psychs like shrooms, lsd and dmt’s level of ego death similiar to the yogi level? (Although dmt certainly has a lot of chaos involved. but through that ego death, your consciousness enters a higher dimension for a bit… where you get to experience oneness in a much more direct universal way)

And… I’ll give you a bit of advice that you can take or not. It doesn’t matter as your path is yours and you’ll come to realize such things on your own. I’m not against exploring altered states of consciousness through psychs. In a way, you can build a mental map of these sorts of experiences so that your mind has an easier way of knowing how to ‘get there’ since it already has the memory of it.

That said, there is only so far you can go with psychs. There is a wall along the path and you won’t be able to go past it if you try to go all in on spirituality with psychs. I’m just letting you know from one friend to another. But hey, that’s just my take on it.

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yup, that’s me too lol…city vibes i guess lol…all that turn the other cheek bs will get you continuously robbed and beat up in certain places loll…

i know this first hand…miraculous moment of an actual spiritual shield of physical point blank attacks…they were in shock and drove away slowly and quietly…i spoke about this with this crystal shop owner because i was wearing a crystal when i was protected…she told me, it’s interesting you wear that on your heart because the ruby has a natural etching of the star of david…which is a symbol of the heart…and it’s a warrior’s stone…it protected you like it protected many warriors of the past…

for some reason, i responded by saying, “i don’t think it’s just the stone that protected me…the good deeds that we do for others provide a forcefield to protect the benevolent sometimes”…but the moment we let it get to our head is when that shield is gone…

but that’s why i’m in seclusion lol to prevent me of attacking and cancelling my shield…

it’s funny because it feels like a split personality that i do experience great moments of oneness at times…like moments where i forgive all the wrongs and evils that was ever done in every lifetime…it’s moments where i feel like i’m finally healed of my anger…then certain moments later reveal, “no you’re not!..” lol

but at least it was an achievement just to reach that state and actually feel it…the challenge is prolonging it…and that enlightened fortress of real Divine peace is built by one enlightened brick at a time…that grueling gradual process…a little too gradual lol

that’s the truth…reminds me of certain people that can approach wild animals like a bull or lion, and get a peaceful reaction out of them…which i do with certain people that give an attitude to everyone else but peaceful with me for some reason…but to do that on the samsara level of all is definitely the challenge of all challenges while still living in chaos…

i feel like it happened already, and it’s just waiting on us to unlock it and pass around the key…easier said than done though lol…but i’m definitely genuinely and honestly aiming for that

definitely looping the blossom of abundance to manifest that lol

thanks for the talk

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Of course my friend. Thanks for the talk as well :slight_smile:

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Thank you very much Sammy for taking the time and for the detailed answer. This has been very helpful :white_heart:

I think I had a cognitive dissonance here in a sense of trying to figure out how I can accept the negative parts while at the same time judging and labeling them as “negative”.

I now see that I was confusing different conceptual levels.
Accepting something is happening on a detached observation level.
While labeling something as “negative” is simply an emotional reaction to what is observed.
Since I was still judging it as “negative” means that I was fooling myself and not really accepting it, but was looking for ways to “get rid of it”, “to forget it” and to “delete it”.

Which brings me to the next conclusion:

Since Source is always 100% detached and accepting of ALL its parts, this means that me, who is doing the physical incarnational experience and “not accepting certain parts”, is actually playing an illusion onto myself.
It cannot be any other way because I am part of Source and of ALL.

So me “not accepting certain parts” means I am only “acting as if I am not accepting these parts” because on an absolute Source level and me being part of this Source, I always already had accepted all of these parts.

I am the part of the Source who plays a game to itself and acts “as if I would not be accepting of certain parts” so that I can experience negativity and individualization.

Which means, all I have to do is to remember that I was already always accepting of everything and how I started playing the illusory “game of non-acceptance”, which I only did in order so that I can experience certain parts in a “non-dettached” and “real” way.

This mechanism of playing the illusion onto myself seems to be place to enable certain experiences and make them “appear real”.

The path to oneness and universal acceptance is simply remembering why and how we started to play the illusion of “separation” and “non-acceptance and judgement”.

I had a “Oneness experience” only once in my life and that was many many years ago. It lasted for 2 days and then the old patterns took over again. I had zero negative emotions during those 2 days and my Heart Chakra was so wide it was embracing the whole city.

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This is a great realization and one that is powerful enough as a reason for the ego to where the ego would then naturally and by itself submit to a higher power and allow for its dissolution. Who doesn’t want to be “impenetrable” and “most gansta” after all? :grin:

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