Life is Eternal and There is No Such Thing as "Death"

[Marie]

This topic really makes me think.

Reading the first post, I’m curious what free scientific resources providing a solid, well-founded theory on the possibility of an “afterlife” (which is yet to be defined before even discussing the question) are available to this day, whether it be proving or disproving it. I have found quite a lot of books, videos and articles on the topic but none of them seems based on a purely scientific method (I haven’t taken the time to research thoroughly though). So if you can think of any, let me know.

For now, I don’t think it can be considered that there is any objective, scientifically valid knowledge of what happens after death, given that the main source of information at our disposal is based on personal subjective experiences. And science rejects subjectivity insofar as possible. However, I’m still convinced that the combination of both suggested approaches (with an emphasis on the second one) is the best way to learn about what happens after physical death as a scientific approach would be fruitless here.

I don’t see how the “propaganda" of death/ mortalism mentioned here operates. It’s not something I am aware of (at least in my own culture and experience) so it leaves me quite dubious. I’d take any information on this subject

On another note, I’ve found that the belief that there is no afterlife is not necessarily detrimental. In fact, it can be very empowering. You don’t have to suffer from the idea that your existence is going to end or that it ultimately has no purpose (note that they are not always linked, although the first one often implies the second one).

Hopelessness, which differs from despair, teaches you to live in the moment. Purposelessness (I mean the lack of a “higher” purpose) gives you a sense of freedom in that instead of waiting for this so-called purpose to be unveiled to you you can actually define your own in the here and now. I recommend reading Camus’ Myth of Sisyphus, which is a truly brilliant essay, to learn more about it.

It’s still possible to flourish and grow on a spiritual level without being “deeply convinced about the afterlife”, as long as you stay open to new ideas and experiences. Eventually you’ll learn and see for yourself

[JAAJ]

@Marie

I haven’t taken the time to research thoroughly

Then you know what you have to do…

[Lanos]

I have seen both these videos and many others from this channel. The second one is specially enlightening. I am dwelling a lot into afterlife these days and trying to understand spiritual concepts better in this light.
Even after knowing life is indeed a drama which souls play to gain certain experiences, I yet am inconclusive about certain ‘bad’ experiences and their worthiness in the overall sense of a soul’s journey. Why do we need to have the amnesia and forget everything and then get the experience of lack and feel the emotions from it? What’s the need when in the astral we have it all? What is the necessity of that experience?
next level soul podcast… this is also a good channel to watch

[JAAJ]

@Lanos

Why do we need to have the amnesia and forget everything

Maybe because of this…

@JAAJ

But the illusion is there on purpose.
To make it so that you believe the digital playground is “real”.
So that you take it seriously.
And by this experience more intense growth.

@JAAJ

That’s also the reason why you forget where you came from before incarnating.
You wouldn’t take this physical plane and suvival game serious if you would knew all the time that it is all fake and artificial and if you would be able to perceive the higher dimensions, your parallel incarnations etc. at the same time as well.

…and

@Lanos

experience of lack and feel the emotions from it?

A hardcore training ground for learning more self love and being worthy.

PLUS

A hardcore training ground for learning to proactively manifest abundance.
Overcoming lack.
Making the best of apprantly limited resources.
Pulling yourself out of the swamp.
Getting rid of the victim mode and becoming a sovereign manifesting soul with real free will.
Making the impossible possible.
Developing gratitude for the good things in life.
Developing compassion for other pieces of consciousness.

@Lanos

What’s the need when in the astral we have it all?

Faster growth.

We are speed runners here.

We are bored of going the slow mainstream (astral) way.

We are playing on the hardcore server so that we can “become as the sun” as quickly as possible.

We are EXCITED and INSPIRED to become more than we were and we DESIRE this so much that we are willing to take on the hardest growth challenges.

@Lanos

What is the necessity of that experience?

The harder the challenge, the bigger the growth.

Like a muscle in the gym. Lol.

Playing the game on the hardcore game server (physical universe) = fast and intense growth process.

PS:
Also check out this:

Does anyone know if Dream has said anything about what happens when one dies?

The people or personality we are having at the moment, is not really what we are, or rather a very small part of what we really are. We are here in a sense to ‘experience’ things and from it ‘learn’ and ‘evolve’ which in a general sense helps in the expansion of the universe. Each thing we experience is very unique, no two people will ever really experience the exact same thing, or have the same reactions, so in a sense it is a mass collection of data. (experiences) The universe expands by l…

[Lanos]

Thank you @JAAJ for this detailed response. I understand what you said but what I was really wondering is … why do we need all this in the first place?
I understand that suffering/experience is for growth and world is growth at high speed… but why do we need to first break away from source and reach the source again by growing back towards it. Why this loop exists in first place?
Thank you so much for sharing the link by dream and it does indeed address this question in more depth and I will also read that whole thread for more replies by him if any. But still it only states about the expansion of universe and creation of more universes from it. Seems like God/source energy is playing a game since they are bored
Well I understand these questions are beyond the understanding of human mind and we probably would know much better of the why’s in the astral. But for now knowing that this indeed is a game makes our journey easier and progress faster

[JAAJ]

@Lanos

Seems like God/source energy is playing a game since they are bored

Yeah, seems like it, LMAO
I came to the same conclusions in my Mystical Journal…

Since the Source is already everything, it seems there is nothing else to do but to run itself as a simulation with new parameters again and again and discover what will happen lol.

@El_Capitan_Nemo

The universe contracts and expands, or rather implodes and explodes with each ‘version’ things run a little differently.

For you as a math genius, the analogy of a bifurcation scenario might make sense here…

…now for the Source and All That Is, which is Pure Consciousness, imagine running a bifurcation scenario on a conceptual and qualia level.

With new qualia types (subjective experiences and feelings) being unlocked at each new step forward.

[JAAJ]

@Lanos

But for now knowing that this indeed is a game makes our journey easier and progress faster

For sure!

Re-discovering or remembering that it is indeed all just a simulation seems to be one of the achievements to unlock within the game itself.

Most physical earth humans in the 21st Century are indeed blocked off by their Higher Selves with regards to learning about the afterlife and astral planes in order to not ruin the percevied “realism” and “seriousness” of the physical earth game for them and experience it in full.

The more serious the simulation is taken, the higher the maximum level of pain that can be experienced and the harsher the wake-up call or intensity of the experience, then leading to the final stage of the Conceptual Realization (that which the Higher Self is actually after).

Learning your lessons through the Conceptual Realizations/Conglomerate field = less intense/less painful/less serious experiences are required to get there

[Lanos]

@JAAJ

imagine running a bifurcation scenario on a conceptual and qualia level

Thanks for talking to me in my language lol
But I indeed got it better with these analogies haha

You know for the source …it’s like all those video games where the creator keeps adding more and more levels as it gets popular… it is a never ending addictive process … you want to reach the final level and then find more levels being added periodically

Maybe it’s really fun up at that level … but right down here … it’s a pain phew

(And this was the hundredth comment of this awesome thread … thanks for making this JAAJ)

[JAAJ]

An NDE worth listening to:

Man Dies; Taught 10 Things You MUST do to Get Into Heaven (NDE)

[JAAJ]

“The One Major Fear Dead People / Spirits Have the Most”:

(starts at 3:33):

The One Major Fear Dead People / Spirits Have the Most

Never quit playing on the Hardcore Server (physical Earth) and make the best out of your incarnation

“I’ll tell you a secret. Something they don’t teach you in your temple. The gods envy us. They envy us because we’re mortal, because any moment may be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we’re doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again.”

– Achilles, Troy

(this quote is to be understood conceptually, not literally ! )

[JAAJ]

Pictures from the Afterlife…

Elysium Unveiled - A Visual Journey through Life Eternal

[JAAJ]

Found another channel:

Coming Home

[JAAJ]

How the Afterlife, Astral Plane, Other Side or Whatever is a Lot More Exciting Than Here

[JAAJ]

The best resources for people who just get started and don’t know where to start:

These books (for sceptics) to get an overview of NDE research:

• “Evidence of the Afterlife: The Science of Near-Death Experiences” by Jeffrey Long & Paul Perry
• “After” by Bruce Greyson
• “Life After Life” by Raymond Moody
• “Understanding Life After Death” by Cyrus Kirkpatrick

This YouTube channel with regards to questions about life in the afterlife – this one covers almost any topic:

• Afterlife Topics

This book in order to learn Astral Projection:

• “Out of Body” by William Buhlmann

@mrpixeltech

[mrpixeltech]

I kept looking through the topic search/history “did I post in here” and then I remembered the conversation. Awesome!

[JAAJ]

Some further NDE YouTube Channels:

Afterlife TV

Life After Life NDE

[Lanos]

I have watched a lot of NDEs… almost all of them come from Christian faith. There are so many NDE channels on YouTube now a days. But I am yet to discover one that truly covers people from all faiths. There is a remarkable religious aspect to NDE and thus it becomes really necessary to get to know the accounts of people from all religious backgrounds like Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Islam etc. What happens to them after they die? When we get enough accounts of other faiths as well then only we can have a 360 degree perspective on life after death.

I am aware that astral plan is a thought responsive dimension and it gets consistent with one’s thoughts and beliefs. Thus it becomes even more important to get to know the experiences from all faiths.

So such NDE that show other deities besides Jesus or people from other religions … did they also see Jesus or did they come across other forms of God. If you come across such NDEs then do share.

[Mecha]

https://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html#

This is my favourite site to read ndes, and probably the biggest. It has over 5000! I reccomend reading the exceptional ones. It’s mostly text, but there is a search option if you are looking for something in specific.

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1mira_s_nde.html

This one was written by a person with a Hindu background (very beautiful btw)

[Lanos]

Thanks for sharing… yes I have come across this website before but couldn’t find the specifics much. But maybe I will dig deeper. Thanks for the link

[JAAJ]

I think there are certain religions where people are simply afraid of sharing their experiences. They are afraid for being called “crazy” or for “being involved with dark forces”.

At the same time the people from these cultures and religions are not speaking the languages in which most of the NDE material is published, or they don’t even have access to internet and libraries.

It makes mathematical sense that you will find the most NDE reports where people have access to these materials, speak the language, and most importantly, are not afraid to share their experiences with others.

There are still countries on this planet where even owning a simple book about astrology can get you stoned to death.

Additionally, most of these countries are also poor and underdeveloped with medieval hospital equipment, i.e. not many people are brought back to life to report their story in the first place.