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I think that can be the drawback of more direct paths in comparison to gradual ones
Probably physical and energetic is not ready yet to integrate such a deep work on mind
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Consult with your higher self and choose a path.
Monks who ascend and end up living like rocks on mountains may benefit the collective a little, but are ultimately useless.
The purpose is evolution, individual growth to not only evolve as a soul but also evolve as a human and contribute to the earth.
Transcending duality will give you greater clarity and more “openness” to receiving information from your higher self that otherwise your ego might resist and see as “wrong”.
Demand answers from your higher self.
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what is helpful is a goal or point of focus. (to provide a means of stability)
What are you doing in life? what do you enjoy doing or rather what do you think you can enjoy doing in life that works within your current mind frame.
Like say you may want to excel in cooking and make delicious food for others.
Focus on those things for now.
We can guide, but there is a vast difference between reading something and then having a ‘realization’
You will only see the advice from the outside, but when you get the ‘realization’ itself you see and understand it completely.
But without a doubt it is a realized opportunity, one that would not have been possible before. Don’t be afraid.
To see things as they truly are means there is a protected expansion of consciousness.
You feel like a naked spirit, but more so it is a newly born child. You will learn to navigate and find new levels of homeostasis.
The unlearning is quite challenging but a good sign as well.
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Hello Nabs and all,
Some of you old timers will recognize this name aka -OM- aka Candle (Hi Sammy and Dreamy) 
Firstly, pretty much everything Sammy has posted about higher states of consciousness is accurate and/or has been my experiences IMO.
As one of the original users of Dale’s Higher Vibration Field which became the Ascension Field which became Sapien’s Version of the Ascension field, I can address most of these issues.
And gonna take the tiniest little credit for the subconscious limits dissolver and the OM field which seems to have transformed into the VoC field. Maybe Dreamy will tell the stories one day.
You don’t. Get used to it. 
Til you die. True Enlightenment (capital E) involves a death of some type. In most cases the “ego death” is accompanied by a literal physical death experience, if only for a few seconds.
Then you get to decide (from a soul level, not conscious Ego level) if you want to come back and “help” or move on to new lessons.
Either way, no “faith” is required at this point. YOU KNOW. Not you think you know, but KNOW.
Gonna have to disagree with this point and Sapien’s work and especially his Mass Love Meditation fields prove this point.
Paraphrasing a Ghandi quote,
one loving person nullifies the effects of millions of negative people.
David R. Hawkins, an enlightened being who has moved on, calibrated this exact ratio to be 1 “truly loving” human counterbalances 750,000 negative humans. https://de.spiritualwiki.org/Hawkins/Tables#toc6
(Note: you will see a lot of “charts” or “tables” that are rip offs of his original work. Be wary of those that don’t come directly from the original source and have “additions” he did not speak of)
So yeah, those stories of enlightened monks living in caves were contributing greatly to humanity just by “existing” on this plane.
Let alone the astral work that most of them do that’s never talked about.
On that note, Hawkins has written extensively on the challenges of those rare higher levels of consciousness even beyond “basic” Enlightenment.
Instead of me writing long paragraphs like Sammyg (hi Sammy!), I would recommend his 2nd and 3rd books in his Power v Force trilogy. “Eye of the I” and “I”
They will help you navigate them from someone who’s been there done that.
Ha, seen Dreamy posted while I was writing.
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Wanted to add. A wonderful fictional book to read about the journey of an enlightened soul is “Stranger in a Strange Land”.
Once you realize the main character’s “Martian” heritage is a metaphor for Enlightenment. It’s wonderfully instructive on deciding “what to do now?”
Also recommended is “Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah”
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Be civil guys,
These are perspectives from behind different doors.
Neither of you see the whole picture.
But if you piece them together you can see more.
Love and light or not love and light
this actually applies to Nabs
as you are presenting the perspectives he is transcending
a lesson in everything of course.
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I’ll address your post with thoughtfulness even tho I haven’t been afforded the same…
There are 2 schools of thought even among “Enlightened Beings”. Those who are true pacifist and feel “whatever lessons are supposed to be learned are supposed to learned” without interference.
And there are those who are peaceful until aggressed upon and then will use a form of Spiritual Aikido to use their opponents attacks against them.
I have wavered between both at times. Sapien can surely tell you that I’m not one to shy away from a fight.
That said, the more I “evolve” the more I move into the pacifist "complete non-interference’ group.
The reasons become apparent to those who have gotten to a certain level… namely the “karmic implications” of simply identifying as a “human being”
As far as “earthly” politics go… meh, the paper headlines read the same as they did a hundred years ago for the most part. Hence the “wheel of karma”
The only way OUT is to transcend the DUALITY of it all.
Yes, beings of that consciousness level still see the need to “fight” evil. Not wrong or bad, just a lesson that gets learned and “moved beyond” at a certain point.
And they are already here in shockingly massive numbers at this point.
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I think you need to re read what he said bro,
Nobody thinks anyone is better or less.
Relax man, take a deep breath.
Put down thor’s mandala.
understand its all perspective.
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Why are you so angry?
You assume a lot of what i believe and know and don’t believe or know. I’ve literally posted 3 times.
Ok Dreamy, gonna follow my non-interference mindset and bow out of this forum.
I’ll go back to reading only or maybe responding by PMs only.
Take care all.
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Glad your still around after all these 100s of years
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Geeee does no one like to discuss anymore ?
Yeah yeah I like to trigger people to get a proper conversation going, I am not angry lol.
I just like when discussions get emotional because thats when people start talking what they truly think and feel.
I actually agree with your points and some things I said just for the sake of discussions.
I love discussions, I am not angry, I don’t use Thor LOL (nice one).
Anyway, toughen up bro, just wanted to discuss a bit, maybe we can both learn from it ? ;D
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Like I’ve said before @Samurai , we know you mean well. But that confrontational and berating vibe isn’t always going to rock well with everyone. It’s best to meet others in neutral ground and try to go about these discussion in a more peaceful manner. Not many people like getting triggered.
@_OM Candle, my friend. Long time no speak. Thought you disappeared into the abyss after all these years lol. Glad to see you are doing well man
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Just wanted to say Thank you guys @Samurai and @_OM! what you just did there anchored me back into duality. Gosh, I was so disoriented. This became a concern when yesterday my wife told me she doesn’t know who I am anymore and my family look at me differently. That’s when I started to reflect and found out I don’t actually have opinions about anything anymore positive or negative which was scary.
Also this morning I saw something in the news which usually one would say “oh thats terrible and unfortunate” but I saw it as just perfect orchestration of what is didn’t have a positive or negative opinion about it.
I felt better after listening to Vibrations of Divine Love - like the universe giving me a big hug and telling me things will be alright.
@_OM - Nice to meet you and Thank you for the recommendations. I will look into those books. I’ve read a bunch from David Hawkins especially the power vs force and like the idea of levels of consciousness map.
@El_Capitan_Nemo I am afraid of losing “myself” before adding all the new fragments I want to identify with. I don’t enjoy walking around in 3rd dimension as a blank canvas. But you are also right that this is a good thing where I can really choose the right colors, brushes, and strokes to create the new “self” which I prefer to present to the world in service to others.
Anyhow, I think I will take it easy on the VoT and not use it every day but maybe once a week instead. I will practice more mindfulness and use the video available for it to stay in the present moment.
I am really glad this forum exists, it really helps.
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I’ll address each of your “issues”’ thoroughly one time and then I’m out. Don’t expect a “return” rebuttal. This is for those reading along who probably need clarification.
(Cause believe or not, Sammy and Dreamy will tell you i was ALOT like you back in the day) 
And what if you learned that the reason the NEW souls had to come here to earth was because the OLD souls screwed up by NOT following the non-interference rules, creating a whole bunch of entangled karmic consequences for trying to help “the most indians and chinese are being treated like cattle by their own governments”.
(Actually it was 99% of everyone back then regardless of nationalities/races that didn’t exist.)
Again, that karmic wheel that only gets transcended by basically choosing to NOT pick a side either way.
Some do that here on the physical planes.
Most aren’t able to do it until they reach higher “astral” planes (or lower ones depending on points of view)
Consciousness calibration testing (see David Hawkins on how this is done) would disagree on his “guru” status, but that brings up an important point about what enlightenment “looks like”.
Enlightened beings aren’t “perfect”. They just KNOW they are “one” with the Universe.
They are often subject to the prejudices and failings of the current society - ie. see my earlier comments about “identifying as a human”.
Who’s preaching love and light? Find my exact quote please…
Billions suffering upsets me too. It’s upsets ANY person with integrity. The question is HOW to best resolve it.
From a certain perspective, it’s “evil” inflicting suffering on the masses.
From another perspective, it’s the karma of those suffering from the suffering they’ve caused others in the past.
From another perspective, it’s people only learning to grow from suffering, which may or may not be caused not from the conditions but how they choose to perceive those conditions.
From another perspective, there is no suffering. It’s the Universe experiencing all the infinite multitudes of experiences because it was “bored”.
I could go on, I won’t.
The enemy isn’t faceless. It’s been looking back on each one of us in the mirror everyday.
On that note, how is triggering people “alleviating” the suffering of your fellow humans
True, and I already addressed that. Some move on, some stay. And how exactly would know what some enlightened beings “very specific mission” was unless you talked to them and they told you?
And this is the one a certain percentage of souls chose to “play”/“learn”/“get trapped”/whatever on.
Kind of hard to experience “human” pain if one isn’t on the human planes, wouldn’t you agree?
That’s like saying I can “experience” being a wizard in an RPG video game by playing it, instead of the full virtual reality simulation where I even forget that I’m playing a game to begin with.
As alluded to originally, many souls are here to help and the lessons they are here to learn is that “evil” is just another form of duality of the ONE NON-DUAL universe.
There ARE other ways of dealing with ‘evil’ outside of “fighting”. Do you know how?
And one of the reasons I RARELY talk about such things nowadays (and Sammy has also alluded to) is because of “words”.
Language is inherently dualistic. So, by using one word, I’m automatically excluding all the other possibilities of an infinite universe that is by definition interconnected as One.
As Shakespeare said, “A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.”
ie, the essence and being of a “rose” is it’s IS-ness.
Not the dualistic words used to name it or describe it.
This applies to everything especially states of consciousness that aren’t normally experienced by the great majority of humans at this time, and therefore nearly impossible to describe.
“Better than”, “less than”? Hmm.
Better said as lessons that need to be “mastered” or “transcended” or “integrated”.
No one believes a 5th grader is “better than” a 1st grader.
It’s just different things that need to be “learned” before progressing to the next level.
In fact, many, MANY, enlightened beings become “fallen gurus” because they need to “go back” and master some lessons their soul feels they didn’t “master”
There seems to be almost always another duality that needs to be transcended. Again, this is learned from personal experience and the experience of the teachings of my personal Teachers.
Hawkins (again, i make reference to his books because they are virtually no modern day enlightened beings who talk about the states and stages of higher consciousness so extensively and in modern day language) talks about how, as Sammy and I have both experienced, you get to a point and there’s nothing “else”… except there is… at least as a
human being there is.
There’s seemingly always “another” duality to transcend even if it’s just seeing the Universe as complete Emptiness or complete Fullness/Potentiality.
(and then another one after that, and so on)
I’ve heard it. And I dont agree with it. It’s NOBODY’s LAST incarnation. As you said, there are infinite worlds, and infinite dimensions in just this ONE universe.
It may be many humans’ “last incarnation” on THIS earth.
For many of those aforementioned “starseeds” it may be the first of many incarnations on the new “ascended” Earth that will not support negative humans or possibly any humans.
“Banished” is a strong word.
Moved to another world to “try again”? Seems more likely - as this process as happened countless times in the “many more dimensions of existence” and “different realms and universes” that you mentioned earlier.
Ok. And? Humanity has all kinds of idiotic reasonings for explaining basic cause and effect (karma) that isn’t apparent because the “cause and effect” is the entire potentiality of the known and unknown universe. What’s your point? (Rhetorically speaking)
Ok, I’ve done my best to address most of your points in a logical and calm manner.
I’ve had my “confrontational” side get the better of me in the past, so I’ll pass it forward and hope one day you do the same
Above all, Be well.
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Well, Sap finally made the Om field (VoC, VoT) I envisioned when I asked for the OM mantra way back when.
And then added the “all levels of existence” which I think I might have inspired due to my non-locality problems in this timeline (thanks Dreamy) so…yes, it is “me”’ and not one of the other versions that were yea, in the Abyss, for a while.
Plus, I wanted to support your experiences of these states of consciousness.
We still need to hit a cafe in NYC sometime. When/if I ever visit.
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this isn’t the first version of the universe or even the only one.
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To expand on what Sapien said, I will say that I’ve had 2 experiences with these “primordial” beings. Both times, some aspect of my "higher self’ or “soul” emerged with an equally primordial feel saying (paraphrasing as this was all psychic with no words) that “I” was from the “previous” universe (and enlightened then) and they needed to back off.
Guess that was enough to scare them away both times.
That said, (this should probably be in the Higher Self posts but I’ll leave it here) i feel alot of people viewing their Higher Self as “individualized”.
(Take this as MY understanding at this time only)
I would use the analogy of the Higher self – As “you” a million years from now.
And not just “you”.
“You” as the collective consciousness of humanity (or whatever star system you’ve chosen to identify with) a million(?) years from now.
Humanity has learned all of it’s “lessons” and has collectively shared all of its experiences with one another so that each “individual” in the collective has truly felt and KNOWS what each other has experienced.
All the dualities possible have been integrated.
Male/female,
master/slave,
rich/poor,
love/fear,
etc
And at this point, your “Higher Self” is on the last precipice of completely united in and identifying with the original Source field, fully realized.
ie. Deleting the game and starting a “new” one or not.
So now’s it’s just going back “in time” to fine tune some of those edges
(or speed up the process)
ie
“What was it like to be victimized?”
" What is it like to be the Abuser?"
“Have “I/we” completely balanced/transcended/integrated this polarity?”
“Let’s send a slew of souls ‘back’ to put the finishing touches on this duality”
This is nearly impossible to explain as we view time as “linear” but I think most people will get the gist of what I’m pointing out. ::sigh:: - words.
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Can’t because it’s limited (every experience is, even higher states of consciousness), a byproduct of Source, a modudlation of it. Hence mind can’t encompass the Source and fully understand it/describe it etc.
One have realzations outside of mind, then mind come up again and can integrate/simplify/conceptualize to be able to apply in the dual world (a lot of time it does not cause realization is “casual” and it does not even recognize it happened)
As a side be careful everyone on a spirtiual path of the ego traps.
Forming a new Ego, supposedly “more spiritual/evolved” than “non spirtual egos” dosen’t change a thing… actually make things worse.
The ego is ultimately delusional, a “spiritual ego” is much more tricky and difficult to dissolve and can bring a lot more delusion than a “normal one”
I have to disagree here. Purpose is realization, you realize something that always be the case (behind the curtain of ego).
Evolution, growth, spiritual powers, battles between entities of different “levels” are all from an ego point of view, although a different version than more common ones (more “spiritual”).
Realization doesn’t imply transformation (if you recognize your true nature/source it goes by it self it’s always been there, even when you was “less evolved”), transformation doesn’t imply realization.
Although both can be supportive of the other, transformation can obscure realization (spiritual ego).
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Yeaah I just had a long chat with my higher self and guardian, ignore everything I wrote.
Law of non-interference, don’t talk about “magic”, focus on self, fk the world, got it.
Have a good one ;D
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