Sapien Medicine doesn‘t care about money?

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#255

nuclear families are communist micro-societies. almost everyone is communist in this sense.

marx only proposed to apply the concept for everyone else that does not belong to our lineage, to humanity in general lol

but we are still ego driven and tribalistic, which makes impossible to see an stranger as a brother or sister.

i believe this is why the left works so hard on de-constructing the nuclear family, because of this tribalistic tendency to alienate any other person that does not belong to it.

#256

To be honset am cluless and that makes me a bit worried.

#257

I’ll ignore what was said before and only comment on what you just said in a respectful way. Like we did yesterday in private.

We agree to disagree but I think it’s worth disagreeing a little bit here.

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#258

i wouldn’t say that this is exclusive to communism,

many people, including myself, do charity work and we put effort in it. we don’t half-ass it because we are not getting paid. people may have other motives or interests that do not belong entirely to “having more stuff”.

#259

I don’t think any of you are wrong for feeling the way you do about things. Or for rejecting some things or others. Or feeling or saying most of his posts are negative. That is fine. I like that we all don’t think the same.

I just want us to keep discussion respectful so… we can actually have a discussion. That is part of what this is all about. I am pushing for us to be able to have actual discussions with people with disagree with, rather than just default to discounting people and shrugging them disrespectfully for thinking like they do. That is all. Not saying that’s what you do all the time or that heidegger doesn’t do it either. This is a general thing and I just used this one incident to push this into the stratosphere.

lmao :joy: :joy:

That is why I don’t think a full on socialist society works at this point in mankinds development. We are not there yet.

Capitalism with trinkets of socialist policies is more plausible with where and who we are at this point. I also do like the aspect of capitalism that allows anyone to thrive and be rewarded for doing more and creating more value. That is freaking awesome. Me and Dreamweaver are living off of doing what we love because Capitalism allows for us to be paid for doing this.

We are always going to disagree on things. And that is fine. That is humanity at its core. We all think differently and we always will.

All I want more than anything is for us to be able to discuss our disagreements respectfully. That is what is missing in the world.

All the woke vs anti woke discussions online turn into meaningless arguments where noone even listens to eachother, because everyone is automatically so convinced the other person is wrong or an asshole for believing what they believe in.

We need to actually be able to have conversations in these trying times. We need to leave our echo chambers and actually talk to people we don’t agree with. And the only way this is possible is if we attempt to listen in these conversations and try to learn from eachother.

The powers that be want us to be divided and here we are, divided and unable to have any meaningful dialogue with eachother. Unable to unite and take down the power structure that has been exploiting and putting down humanity for so long. It’s going to take hard work to get there but first, we need to actually be able to talk to eachother.

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#260

It is too late to stop the development of AI. The cat is out of the bag. People are developing open source AIs already that will probably surpass the ones made by companies like Google and OpenAI. Countries like China and Russia are developing AIs at full force and not going to stop at all. And if the government were to control how or what we do with AI, then that’ll just be their way to gaining more control over us. It’s a rat race now and the momentum isn’t going to stop.

So I’m not going to concern myself with what isn’t possible at the moment. I am concerned with the inevitable reality of AI. Part of my pressing energy these past few days is because AI has the potential to save humanity, destroy it or just make the current status quo far worse than it already is. Or something else entirely. Nonetheless, it is going to change humanity forever.

And I am pushing for a brighter future. I don’t think we can get to a brighter future without the people settling their differences and coming together.

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#261

I apologize if this conversation felt heavy to some by the way. In my perspective, I genuinely enjoyed it and have grown a bit more. I think you guys are pushed further and deeper into your understanding by being challenged like this. Us finding holes in eachothers logic, allows us to dig deeper and find things about what we believe in that we hadn’t even considered before. I literally had so many thoughts I’ve never had in the span of these few days. And the embrace of the negative emotions and resisting the urge to get very combative has only made me stronger. I learned a lot. I hope ya’ll did too.

I want us who disagree with eachother to more openly express our disagreements with eachother. And look above… we did. And we didn’t resort to insulting eachother or putting eachother down, which would have turned this into a very messy discussion where we aren’t listening to eachother.

Sure, we called eachother out on things but that’s the nature of disagreeing with eachother and having an honest conversation. We had a human to human conversation. And I’m personally all the better for it.

I will allow people in the forum to express what others might deem as toxic views. I know many of you fear the backlash or getting judged or getting banned for expressing these things but I think it’s time we start having these hard conversations. We got to leave the echo chambers. They prevent growth. We need to be challenged or else, what the hell are we here for?

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#262

You guys hijacked this thread to talk about politcs, but didnt even bother to answer my question that might lead to saving thousands of people in near future, nice one! lol

Seriously Sammy, do you mind giving useful answer to my question I dedicated to you? Its in this thread, if you care enough to find it via Ctrl + F or some other method :)

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#263

No need to get petty

How about you read through this thread

Sammy & Captain have both answered

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#264

Yes! Do this. There needs to be more people out there with nuanced perspectives. Too many people just thinking one sided and the truth is, a lot of people are actually not so onesided and capable of thinking with nuance. Many people want to hear both sides of the story in a fair, non biased way from one source rather than having to sift through very biased people. There are literally little to no people doing this and it is very needed.

Like for example porn. People will either say it is completely bad, you should never watch it. Or it is not bad at all, do it however much you want. A nuanced perspective on porn is:

There are positive and negative aspects to porn. Let’s explore them.

Positive: It is an outlet for sexual exploration and expression. It is very stress relieving. It allows people to find what they are sexually drawn to. It grants many people the ability to make money. Masturbation has long reported many health benefits such as boosting immunity or preventing prostate cancer and so on and porn helps us masturbate more effectively. To many people, sex is beautiful, an art even and it’s fun to enjoy.

Negatives: It is easy to get addicted to and become dependant off of. It sets up unrealistic expectations for sex. It also creates many insecurities in people. It tarnishes many mens ability to last long in bed. The sex industry is rather expolitative and often, we are watching people having very low vibrational sex which affects our energy. It can make us desensitized to sex in a way that affects real relationships. It can drain our brain’s reward centers and drain our vitality/drive.

Overall, porn isn’t a horrible thing to consume in infrequent moderation as it’s a way to relieve stress, explore our sexuality and enjoy the art of sex. But the cons to porn can be very debilitating as porn can have drastic negative impacts on our psyche, our sexual prowress and make us dependent. So, porn isn’t inherently bad but it certainly is like a drug, that if you’re not careful, can really mess with your well being.

There’s your youtube short. Most people are either just giving you one side or another of the whole picure. Be someone that gives people the whole picture.

Who cares if others are doing it or could do it better. There hundreds of thousands of people making points for one side or another. And many have grown popular and reaching many audiences. What you got to understand my brother, is that there are billions of people on the internet. There is actually an audience for most people willing to consistently put up decent content. At the very least you get a 100 consistent viewers and that’s enough sometimes eh. You appreciate those 100 viewers and keep giving to them, and you will grow organically.

It’s not just about doing it to save the world or people’s minds. You do it cause you want to. You do it for the sake of wanting a better world and you’ll feel damn good for making an effort towards it rather than just complaining about it. It’s fulfiling.

What are you doing to sail in that private yacht? You got to provide value to the world if you want to recieve the kind of value that allows you to do the things you want. If you think you can provide good value to the world by providing meaningful thoughts in your videos, then go for it. And do it cause you want to. Not cause you feel you have to do something.

That desire will take you far and you’ll get better at making these videos through your passion, to the point that people find value in what you do. And that value will turn into money that you can use to sail in private yachts around the world. Get what I mean? Give value, get value.

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#265

Abundance Mindset :ok_hand:

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#266

From marketing perspective, I can make more money, more easily, by only looking how to profit more. Its selfish, but it would in theory get me better life.

Now, I could also choose stuff that would help people, but they wouldn’t necessarily make me nearly as much money.

If all realities exist, what is the point of doing the second thing for me personally? Why not just focus on making money than enjoying life, rather than focusing on helping other people? (Unless that second thing makes me happier).

Also, I never mentioned videos.

Example: You are driving 1000 km in your car, and you see hitchhiking on the road. Now you could decide to help him, or not.
If you do help him, there are certain risk, like him having drugs on him, maybe even putting them in your car so he is not guilty if they are found. You would spend more gas because of weight of vehicle, and there is always a chance that he is a murderer or wants to rob you. You might even need to pay for his room in hotel cause its a long journey etc.

And also if you help him, he might be a little grateful, you might have good company for your ride, he might pay for some stuff etc.

But if you dont help him, you dont risk anything at all.

But in this example, I do think that negatives are far worse, then positives are good.

So my question, in a sense, is it worth it to dedicate your life to helping other people, or should I become more selfish and mostly look to benefit myself?

Cause I can make enough money for a yacht much faster and easier if I am selfish, all big corporations mostly dont give you too much value, at least not real value that would improve your life such as free hospitals (Sapien) etc, they mostly try to take your money, information or time, such as profitable private organization that would charge you with every opportunity, social media companies that sell your data etc

Are there any reason (other that it makes me happy to help others) to not be selfish and instead of looking to profit as much as I can from a product, to instead invest into something that will have main focus of helping people out?

Hopefully now I am clear enough with my thoughts, questions and examples :)

#267

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… Every little thing is ganna be alright!

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#268

St.Biceps, Patron of poetry

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#269

Goddess and God of poetry.

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#270

Ethics of desire means adjusting people to society to make people able to desire something that society offers through their value structure and put people on that spin.

It is mostly free-market and capitalist friendly.

It consists on making people to adapt to a system.

Ethics of the Real on the other hand proposes to subvert the whole system and make it implode, which will free people from their own laws and limitations imposed by society and what they are offered with.

Who imposed that sail a yacht is something desirable before you even were born into a system that makes you desire it? That’s the law that alienates us into buying and desire all kinds of stuff because we are impotent and can’t do whatever we want. So, society offers carrots to chase while your energy to express whatever is repressed, and finds a way out through society expectations, values and imposed forms of desire.

I think that ethics of desire is slavery for our energy and impulses.

A more palpable representation:

Ethics of desire:

Ethics of the Real:

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#271

Just to preface this comment, I did not read the whole thread - but why does this matter? Are you in charge of his finances? Why are we even having this conversation?

It’s not like a taboo subject but I just don’t think it’s necessary and raises red flags that you even care

#272

Beautiful stuff homie. I’m inspired :heart:

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#273

By default, anything existing can be an object of desire. Even before capitalism, people desired boats or other fancy things. It’s nice to have things and it isn’t wrong to desire attaining them. I do think that chasing after things to impress others or desiring what you believe you can’t have will make you unhappy. But to want something because it appeals to you is part of being human in this world.

Corporations marketing their products and dreams to people in a way that makes them feel they need it to feel good about themselves does not negate that many people just want things that they want. I have sailed in a yacht before and it is pretty damn amazing. I’ve been in a sports car before and it really is quite an experience. I don’t want those things but I definitely see the appeal.

I think without self awareness, it’s possible that people get consumed by their desires. But to desire is part of being human. At the base of our existence, we desire food, safety, shelter and companionship. But beyond that, we also desire to learn, attain and create. It is part of how we express ourselves and for some, sailing the sea in a floating house (yacht) is how they’d love to enjoy themselves.

A major part of life is enjoying it. If working hard to get a yacht is how they wish to enjoy it, then that’s perfectly fine. By your standards, people shouldn’t want anything ever. That isn’t plausible and that would be very boring. Life is to enjoyed.

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#274

maybe we are having different conceptions of desire.

i see desire as something that’s organized through mediations with our relationship with other people, like mom, dad, and then society.

i mean, before we desire we have an illusion of completeness with our primordial figure, until we are separated and this separation that creates a hole or gap in us that becomes articulated necessarely to other people’s interests, which starts to organize our desire through the mediation of others.

like, dad wanting the kid to play football because he cannot be the object of mom’s desire 24/7, and then advertising telling you what others desire to figure what to desire, to also be desired by you, or what to desire to be desired by others.

i don’t see that an authentic desire could exist at all. all forms of desire are organized and constructed through impotence and impotent forms.

i don’t think it’s necessarely bad, because we all do it, and maybe that’s why we are all “sick” or “mentally ill” to a certain extent, as psychoanalisis says (there’s no “normal” or “healthy” people).

but i do think that it is an obstacle to our primordial forms of expression and drive,

the more people are governed by desire, the less able they are to express their drives, have good and passionate sex (not based on super-ego ideals of how i should fuck or what position based on the book i’ve readed or the porn star that does it), and deep emotional bonds with other people, etc.

in this sense, i agree with you, the more unconscious you are by your desires, the more prone you become a puppet with no soul.