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My 2 Cents on the discussion
I think here the problem is not the Capitalism on it’s own, it served the Human Race better than any other metod till now.
The main issue here is the shift from the real economy to the financial one, which in my opinion it is a facade, artificially sustained.
At the moment the biggest issue I can see, that prevents the market forces to work and regulate themselves on a fair pace, is the artificial increase of the Money Supply, way above the quantity that was needed by the Real Economy to function, this in my opinion is the main cause of Crisis and huge inflation.
Rule out the financial side of the economy, get back to a flat source of Money, impossible to be increased artificially, and things hopefully would work well again, for a while.
After that, maybe in the near future, a shift of paradigm will be required, who knows how far AI can go, and if they replace 99% of workers, TPTB have two thing to do: Kill the unnecessary or support it universally
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Before I begin, I’ll just like say I apologize to you for making it out to be like you’re a constant issue or like you’re being disrespectful to people most of the time. That wasn’t my intention. Sure, you used to get into these kinds of fights often a few years ago but that hasn’t been the case for a while. I honestly wasn’t referring to you in most of the conversation when I’m speaking about ya’ll toxicity and behavior and whatnot. But I was scolding you for the behavior in this thread so that all got meshed together. So, sorry for that. You certainly have changed quite a bit. You perhaps stepping out of line once isn’t indicative of lack of growth. We all step out of line sometimes.
Now I am going to keep my callouts of people vague but know, that this is not directed to you.
There is a lot that I will respond to in this thread and I’ll try to get through some of it tonight. Such as the original posts directed to me.
There are 300k subscribers to sapienmed. Trust me on this, I have spoken to far more of them than anyone here as most of my conversations with people are through email. There are only a little over 200 active members out of about 300k peeps.
Some of them with are very high vibrational (some farther along the path than me), healers, some celebrities or even rich folk, artists and all kinds of interesting people with a lot they could have contributed to this community. Yes, the weird threads push away some people but beyond that, it was the behavior here. Some of the people here insulting people and dismiss them for having different opinions. And then these people would ask me things ’ why do you keep guys like **** in the forum? Your forum isn’t spiritual.’
Hell, my wife tried this forum our for a few days and asked me ‘why don’t you just kick these people out of your forum? These are not the kind of people you want around if you are trying to help people.’
But I didn’t. I have tolerated the toxicity for ages and yet I’ve been called woke and pc. I have tolerated all kinds of bs, the breaking my rules over and over again and then hear that I don’t stand by my principles of love and compassion. I have tolerated some of you preventing the growth of this forum and repelling some people I actually really liked. I have tolerated you all at your worst. I have tolerated it all but I have had to sit here and listen to you guys about how I should be intolerant of others. Maybe I should have been intolerant to some of you.
I gave all of you the time and grace to grow. I gave you the patience and respect to not suspend most of you for breaking the rules. I treated you like adults. The most I did was just respectfully call you out on your behavior and ask you to do better. But even then, you guys don’t even have the audacity to take accountability for your actions. They have cost me. They have never led to anything good.
Everytime you guys disrespect people, they disrespect you back and you then end up having these long toxic arguments that lead to nothing productive. You want me to allow this for what? Is it for discipline cause if so, nobody really ends up learning anything as ya’ll repeat the same behavior over and over again. OM did it to some of you to discipline ya’ll but in allowing him to discipline you, you gave him too much power over you. Power to demean you, not respect your different views and take advantage of certain people. Discipline is necessary but not at the cost of respect.
And all I’m doing is speaking up about these things. I want this forum to be better. There are moments that I don’t want to be around the energy in here either. We clearly need to heal. Dreamweaver doesn’t even spend much time here anymore either.
I’m not blaming you guys for everything or trying to make you feel bad. Everything that is being said here and done here is me exposing all the feelings I have inside. I don’t find this forum to live up to the potential it has to nurture love and growth. And I think it’s important to have a conversation as to why it’s not living up to its potential. It’s important to let out our feelings and call eachother out on things. That’s why I’ve asked people to call me out too. I wanted it all out in the open because it’s time we stop shying away from these hard truths and work on actually making this into a better place.
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I apologize to Sammy too.
We’ve talked a while in private. I do get sensitive about Marxism, socialism in general.
I also said some silly things a few years back myself, many people here need help and time to heal and grow themselves. It’s important to remember.
Thank you @SammyG
We’ve been laughing in private, now it feels strange to come back to this mess.
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And so we should restrict people from thinking or feeling how they do? Is that the solution? When has this ever worked in the history of mankind? People have been doing this in all human societies and all it leads is to the same thing that some of you are fighting against. It leads to us then cancelling anyone with marxist views. It leads to us outcasting them or killing them. Hell, my dad was a marxist and was almost killed for it when he was younger. Should he have been killed for that? This kind of thing turns people against eacother just for having different thoughts.
All the witchhunts, genocides and destruction of cultures throughout history. You guys really would prefer the government restrict certain thoughts and ideologies? You want to set a precedent that you can’t think certain things or share them? Yeah, that allows nasty ideologies to spread like white supremacy or black isrealites or marcist or whatever you think is cancerous. But the latter is far, far worse.
Nature is everything. Anything that exists is natural. There is no such thing as ‘correct nature.’ By default, everything that happens is a result of nature. People think otherwise because nature seems to be consistent and what is natural, is what is matches that consistency. But nature changes over time.
There are species of birds, insects and even mammals whose gender roles reversed over evolution. Nature can be seen as the pattern of life adapting to the now and environmental factors will sometimes change that pattern. Male and female primates at some point were rather equal at some point throughout evolution but the male primates eventually became stronger and the dynamic changed.
As humans evolved, humans were polygamous at first as men would spread their seed as much as they can and women did their best to nurture. We eventually became more monogamous and men would hunt as women nurtured children. Resources were scarce and this was the best way to survive for all humans. Nature was just the pattern that most consistently led to our survival. It was never a fixed thing.
Now in the modern world today, human nature is so much diverse now because our ability to survive completely evolved and allowed us all to become more independent and have more space to freely express ourselves. All the standards of ‘nature’ only served its purpose in a world where we had to compete for resources and so, certain standards of the game had to be met to survive. These standards don’t make sense in the world anymore. Nature changed.
Nature changed into allowing humanity more freedom to express itself outside the rigid standards of survival throughout its history. But it has been a very long and arduous fight. Blacks were restricted from even voting only 60 years ago. Women were also only recently been giving equal rights. Many humans have been restricted from the people in power from being themselves for so much of human history.
So part of what has been happening is humanity freeing itself from the many restrictions it has placed on itself. But I think some people want some of these restrictions still in place for the things they disagree with and find dangerous. And that is the state of society today. The war between 'tolerance vs intolerance. ’ We all disagree on what should be tolerated and not tolerated and it is making us all go mad.
That is why I think finding peace with reality as it is is the only way to peace. We all think differently and that’s okay. None of us are going to change everyone’s opinions and going to war against them is a losing battle as ideas exist forever in the internet. You can’t eliminate thoughts. You can limit their influence of course but the moment you set the precedent that people can’t and shouldn’t think certain things, the moment you give the government far too much power over you. You guys want the same thing that the woke people want. To restrict people from having their own damned thoughts on things.
Ya’ll speak of cancel culture but want to also cancel out people with thoughts you don’t like. It’s the same thing. And it doesn’t work. You can’t outcast or hang people anymore. The internet will always have echo chambers for every idea. Going to war with ideas is a losing battle.
I agree that this is a hypocritical sentiment.
That is fine. I am okay with you guys calling eachothers ideas stupid. Never been against that. It’s moreso when we call eachother stupid. I don’t think insulting people adds to the conversation and only turns it into an argument.
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As I said, it was dismissive.
Christianity and Islam are ideas that you can say have killed millions of people as well. But I’m not going to blame christianity or Islam for it. I’m going to blame people. Same with socialism. If socialism was the most destructive thing in the universe, why have western governments applied so many socialist policies? Why are the highly thriving and peaceful Nordic countries full of socialist policies? Because these policies ensure fairness and generally lead to more balance within the people in a market economy, where things can get pretty unfair. The marrying of the two ideas is rather balancing as the nordic countries have proven. I don’t know why everything has to be so black and white. ‘This thing is evil!’ ‘No, that is evil.’ They are both sides of the same coin.
The line is crossed when you guys belittle people for thinking differently. It’s rather clear from this thread, you guys think lesser of him for believing in socialism. You would rather him be gone. I can feel the ‘**** this guy’ off of your posts and it’s clear as day.
That’s like me calling a flat earther stupid for believing in flat earth theory. He’s not going to listen to me after that. That’s like calling a child stupid for not knowing something he does not know. He’s going to feel hurt and like he’s in the wrong for not knowing.
Saying someone doesn’t know what they’re talking about and then proclaiming they can’t process things is in other words, calling them stupid and incapable of understanding things. It’s dismissive and not indicative of you trying to teach someone anything. A teacher doesn’t insult his student.
’ Okay so you believe in flat earth. Here’s what I know.’ That’s how you share ideas. Not by first telling someone how they don’t know shit. Respecting where people are at or what they believe is common human decency.
In hindsight, I’m rather sure if you are just expressing your thoughts and someone came into the thread saying ‘jaaj doesn’t know what he’s talking about. and he can’t process things,’ I’m pretty sure you’d get triggered by that and get get on the offensive. I’ve seen you do this kind of thing time and time again here. You also get offended by peoples opinions. Remember when you got offended by my opinion of you and me thinking you have never been with a woman or something like that? That was honestly wrong on my part and I genuinely apologize. But you got offended by that for sure.
That’s fair. That is your personal choice. Although I have something to say about this. To be of light and darkness is to be accepting of darkness. To truly reach your highest self, is to not be in rejection to anything. There are walls in your mind that prevent you from reaching a higher vibration and the things you reject, are those walls. Being dark to others is rejecting people for harboring things you reject. This is you rejecting darkness. So I don’t believe you are light and darkness. You are light restricting its shine into a very linear path, limited by all the darkness you reject. Wholeness, is to become one with the dark. You, in choosing to see the world as black and white, have subscribed to duality.
I’m telling you this moreso cause I know you’re more in the spiritual path of higher vibration and these sorts of things. Not everyone is but I know you are. The bad news is, that allness is inevitable and the only way to reach it is to accept everything you hate and dislike… for to not do so, is the reject your true self (god, tao, universe). I had to do it and it was very uncomftorable. So much pain and suffering but when I accepted, it released like it was all nothing at all.
Unfortunately, as I am seeing it, this is the way up in vibration. Many people here in the forum are also struggling with this and are held back by how much we restrict ourselves in this regard. So as long as these walls still exist, you will likely remain where you are. You are all that you hate and reject. There is no escaping that but if you wish to, your path will likely not reach the full potential. You can still learn much from duality and grow quite a bit of course. But then, you’re just another face in the matrix.
Just words from a soul to a soul. You can continue on your path as you are. Me and dream had to do this to go higher but maybe there’s an easier way. I don’t think there is but that’s okay if you don’t figure it out in this life. You’ll get to where you need to eventually.
I’m with you on this whole segment. Don’t disagree with anything you said here. But you know, universal basic income will be very necessary in this new kind of economy. That’s a very socialist policy. As I mentioned earlier, western capitalism is riddled with socialist policies to make the game fair. That is just going to be the icing on the cake of marrying the two concepts together. We are over here arguing about which one is better when society has already been marrying the two best aspects of eachother to become the more viable one for humanity.
I’m sorry about your family man and I hope their souls are thriving today.
Haven’t we been able to see that under capitalism or socialism, humanity will be corrupted by power and exploit people to the fullest in whatever way they can? Humanity is the problem. Not ideas brother.
Now of course, Communism as an idea allows for far corruption of power from humanity. I’m not fond of it either. But it’s just an idea and the concept behind it is all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. That idea is literally not saying ‘murder millions of people.’ Under enlightened leaders, a system like that could work rather well. Natives in tribes practically lived like this and tend to live pretty harmonious lives where they were at peace with things. Some people just want to exist in peace and not fall into the endless competition and chase of consumption or growth. Not everyone wants to create and expand and explore the universe. Some people just want to live in harmony with others and survive. I get why some people would resonate with that. That’s just the concept behind it. The problem is the people that enforced that concept would do it with brute force.
Anyone who wasn’t in line with communism in a communist society would be killed. That is cancel culture with a death sentence lol. But now, we want to enforce cancel culture on people who have these ideas? Are we really any better than them if we want to play this game?
Is it? I am saying that he doesn’t have everything figured out and niether do you and niether do I. All within a post of me expressing compassion. Context matters and the distinction between posts was very clear here.
I’m not asking you to. All I am saying is to try to respect people’s point of view. Without that respect, there is no meaningful discussion and we end up having meaningless arguments that turn into egoic wars. Arguments that have diminishing returns. Waste of time and energy on my part and your part. I’m asking you guys to try to behave in a way that doesn’t keep leading to these diminishing returns.
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A male family member accidentally left the Enigma of Black Martian Jing on loop in my living room, so here I am, on the topic loaded with quite heavy masculine energy, the one I would normally stay away from.
I have no idea and no desire to find out what was the argument about. Just came to show my appreciation for these words:
"Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”
Carl Jung
Hard, but inevitable truth.
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Thank you SammyG! This forum is a real blessing.
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Yeah same, I learned a lot.
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nuclear families are communist micro-societies. almost everyone is communist in this sense.
marx only proposed to apply the concept for everyone else that does not belong to our lineage, to humanity in general lol
but we are still ego driven and tribalistic, which makes impossible to see an stranger as a brother or sister.
i believe this is why the left works so hard on de-constructing the nuclear family, because of this tribalistic tendency to alienate any other person that does not belong to it.
To be honset am cluless and that makes me a bit worried.
I’ll ignore what was said before and only comment on what you just said in a respectful way. Like we did yesterday in private.
We agree to disagree but I think it’s worth disagreeing a little bit here.
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i wouldn’t say that this is exclusive to communism,
many people, including myself, do charity work and we put effort in it. we don’t half-ass it because we are not getting paid. people may have other motives or interests that do not belong entirely to “having more stuff”.
I don’t think any of you are wrong for feeling the way you do about things. Or for rejecting some things or others. Or feeling or saying most of his posts are negative. That is fine. I like that we all don’t think the same.
I just want us to keep discussion respectful so… we can actually have a discussion. That is part of what this is all about. I am pushing for us to be able to have actual discussions with people with disagree with, rather than just default to discounting people and shrugging them disrespectfully for thinking like they do. That is all. Not saying that’s what you do all the time or that heidegger doesn’t do it either. This is a general thing and I just used this one incident to push this into the stratosphere.
lmao 
That is why I don’t think a full on socialist society works at this point in mankinds development. We are not there yet.
Capitalism with trinkets of socialist policies is more plausible with where and who we are at this point. I also do like the aspect of capitalism that allows anyone to thrive and be rewarded for doing more and creating more value. That is freaking awesome. Me and Dreamweaver are living off of doing what we love because Capitalism allows for us to be paid for doing this.
We are always going to disagree on things. And that is fine. That is humanity at its core. We all think differently and we always will.
All I want more than anything is for us to be able to discuss our disagreements respectfully. That is what is missing in the world.
All the woke vs anti woke discussions online turn into meaningless arguments where noone even listens to eachother, because everyone is automatically so convinced the other person is wrong or an asshole for believing what they believe in.
We need to actually be able to have conversations in these trying times. We need to leave our echo chambers and actually talk to people we don’t agree with. And the only way this is possible is if we attempt to listen in these conversations and try to learn from eachother.
The powers that be want us to be divided and here we are, divided and unable to have any meaningful dialogue with eachother. Unable to unite and take down the power structure that has been exploiting and putting down humanity for so long. It’s going to take hard work to get there but first, we need to actually be able to talk to eachother.
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It is too late to stop the development of AI. The cat is out of the bag. People are developing open source AIs already that will probably surpass the ones made by companies like Google and OpenAI. Countries like China and Russia are developing AIs at full force and not going to stop at all. And if the government were to control how or what we do with AI, then that’ll just be their way to gaining more control over us. It’s a rat race now and the momentum isn’t going to stop.
So I’m not going to concern myself with what isn’t possible at the moment. I am concerned with the inevitable reality of AI. Part of my pressing energy these past few days is because AI has the potential to save humanity, destroy it or just make the current status quo far worse than it already is. Or something else entirely. Nonetheless, it is going to change humanity forever.
And I am pushing for a brighter future. I don’t think we can get to a brighter future without the people settling their differences and coming together.
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I apologize if this conversation felt heavy to some by the way. In my perspective, I genuinely enjoyed it and have grown a bit more. I think you guys are pushed further and deeper into your understanding by being challenged like this. Us finding holes in eachothers logic, allows us to dig deeper and find things about what we believe in that we hadn’t even considered before. I literally had so many thoughts I’ve never had in the span of these few days. And the embrace of the negative emotions and resisting the urge to get very combative has only made me stronger. I learned a lot. I hope ya’ll did too.
I want us who disagree with eachother to more openly express our disagreements with eachother. And look above… we did. And we didn’t resort to insulting eachother or putting eachother down, which would have turned this into a very messy discussion where we aren’t listening to eachother.
Sure, we called eachother out on things but that’s the nature of disagreeing with eachother and having an honest conversation. We had a human to human conversation. And I’m personally all the better for it.
I will allow people in the forum to express what others might deem as toxic views. I know many of you fear the backlash or getting judged or getting banned for expressing these things but I think it’s time we start having these hard conversations. We got to leave the echo chambers. They prevent growth. We need to be challenged or else, what the hell are we here for?
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You guys hijacked this thread to talk about politcs, but didnt even bother to answer my question that might lead to saving thousands of people in near future, nice one! lol
Seriously Sammy, do you mind giving useful answer to my question I dedicated to you? Its in this thread, if you care enough to find it via Ctrl + F or some other method :)
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No need to get petty
How about you read through this thread
Sammy & Captain have both answered
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Yes! Do this. There needs to be more people out there with nuanced perspectives. Too many people just thinking one sided and the truth is, a lot of people are actually not so onesided and capable of thinking with nuance. Many people want to hear both sides of the story in a fair, non biased way from one source rather than having to sift through very biased people. There are literally little to no people doing this and it is very needed.
Like for example porn. People will either say it is completely bad, you should never watch it. Or it is not bad at all, do it however much you want. A nuanced perspective on porn is:
There are positive and negative aspects to porn. Let’s explore them.
Positive: It is an outlet for sexual exploration and expression. It is very stress relieving. It allows people to find what they are sexually drawn to. It grants many people the ability to make money. Masturbation has long reported many health benefits such as boosting immunity or preventing prostate cancer and so on and porn helps us masturbate more effectively. To many people, sex is beautiful, an art even and it’s fun to enjoy.
Negatives: It is easy to get addicted to and become dependant off of. It sets up unrealistic expectations for sex. It also creates many insecurities in people. It tarnishes many mens ability to last long in bed. The sex industry is rather expolitative and often, we are watching people having very low vibrational sex which affects our energy. It can make us desensitized to sex in a way that affects real relationships. It can drain our brain’s reward centers and drain our vitality/drive.
Overall, porn isn’t a horrible thing to consume in infrequent moderation as it’s a way to relieve stress, explore our sexuality and enjoy the art of sex. But the cons to porn can be very debilitating as porn can have drastic negative impacts on our psyche, our sexual prowress and make us dependent. So, porn isn’t inherently bad but it certainly is like a drug, that if you’re not careful, can really mess with your well being.
There’s your youtube short. Most people are either just giving you one side or another of the whole picure. Be someone that gives people the whole picture.
Who cares if others are doing it or could do it better. There hundreds of thousands of people making points for one side or another. And many have grown popular and reaching many audiences. What you got to understand my brother, is that there are billions of people on the internet. There is actually an audience for most people willing to consistently put up decent content. At the very least you get a 100 consistent viewers and that’s enough sometimes eh. You appreciate those 100 viewers and keep giving to them, and you will grow organically.
It’s not just about doing it to save the world or people’s minds. You do it cause you want to. You do it for the sake of wanting a better world and you’ll feel damn good for making an effort towards it rather than just complaining about it. It’s fulfiling.
What are you doing to sail in that private yacht? You got to provide value to the world if you want to recieve the kind of value that allows you to do the things you want. If you think you can provide good value to the world by providing meaningful thoughts in your videos, then go for it. And do it cause you want to. Not cause you feel you have to do something.
That desire will take you far and you’ll get better at making these videos through your passion, to the point that people find value in what you do. And that value will turn into money that you can use to sail in private yachts around the world. Get what I mean? Give value, get value.
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Abundance Mindset 
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From marketing perspective, I can make more money, more easily, by only looking how to profit more. Its selfish, but it would in theory get me better life.
Now, I could also choose stuff that would help people, but they wouldn’t necessarily make me nearly as much money.
If all realities exist, what is the point of doing the second thing for me personally? Why not just focus on making money than enjoying life, rather than focusing on helping other people? (Unless that second thing makes me happier).
Also, I never mentioned videos.
Example: You are driving 1000 km in your car, and you see hitchhiking on the road. Now you could decide to help him, or not.
If you do help him, there are certain risk, like him having drugs on him, maybe even putting them in your car so he is not guilty if they are found. You would spend more gas because of weight of vehicle, and there is always a chance that he is a murderer or wants to rob you. You might even need to pay for his room in hotel cause its a long journey etc.
And also if you help him, he might be a little grateful, you might have good company for your ride, he might pay for some stuff etc.
But if you dont help him, you dont risk anything at all.
But in this example, I do think that negatives are far worse, then positives are good.
So my question, in a sense, is it worth it to dedicate your life to helping other people, or should I become more selfish and mostly look to benefit myself?
Cause I can make enough money for a yacht much faster and easier if I am selfish, all big corporations mostly dont give you too much value, at least not real value that would improve your life such as free hospitals (Sapien) etc, they mostly try to take your money, information or time, such as profitable private organization that would charge you with every opportunity, social media companies that sell your data etc
Are there any reason (other that it makes me happy to help others) to not be selfish and instead of looking to profit as much as I can from a product, to instead invest into something that will have main focus of helping people out?
Hopefully now I am clear enough with my thoughts, questions and examples :)